This week in Reading the Wheel of Time, I have a lot of feelings about Perrin and wolves and the question of destiny in the Rand universe. A lot of these chapters are still reminding us of what we learned and what happened in the previous books, so these themes aren’t exactly new. But there’s some added weight to some of them, including how Perrin understands his identity as a wolfbrother. We also get to see a few interesting insights from Min about the question of what it means to resent but still accept your destiny, which can reflect on the hidden feelings of other characters, such as Moiraine. And Rand too, although mostly our dear Lord Dragon is just very, very tired.
Perrin feels cold even in his dreams. He’s in a common room, trying to warm his hands by a hearth but unable to get any warmth from it. Still, he’s aware that the cold is a shield. He’s also aware of a distant “scratching” of something trying to get in.
“So you will give it up, then. It is the best thing for you. Come. Sit, and we will talk.”
Perrin turned to look at the speaker. The round tables scattered about the room were empty except for the lone man seated in a corner, in the shadows. The rest of the room seemed in some way hazy, almost an impression rather than a place, especially anything he was not looking at directly. He glanced back at the fire; it burned on a brick hearth, now. Somehow, none of it bothered him. It should. But he could not have said why.
The man is sitting at a square table, and Perrin feels like he should recognize him, and notices that the man sits stiffly and sometimes presses his hand to his chest as though in pain. Perrin asks what he means, and the man indicates the axe at Perrin’s side. Perrin realizes that he finds the solid presence of the axe comforting, more real than anything around him. He explains that he has thought of giving up the axe, but that he can’t. He is ta’veren. The man counters that there are ways to avoid fate, and urges Perrin to sit and talk to him about it, or at least to have a drink with him. But Perrin refuses, saying he is not thirsty, and turns away, suddenly wanting to be outside.
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“You will not have many chances,” the man said behind him in a hard voice. “Three threads woven together share one another’s doom. When one is cut, all are. Fate can kill you, if it does not do worse.”
Perrin felt a sudden heat against his back, rising then fading just as quickly, as if the doors of a huge smelting furnace had swung open and closed again. Startled, he turned back to the room. It was empty.
Only a dream, he thought, shivering from the cold, and with that everything shifted.
Perrin looks into a mirror, seeing himself wearing a gilded helmet that looks like a lion’s head, and in ornate armor worked with gold leaf. Only the axe is plain, and he finds himself thinking about how he prefers it to all other weapons, and has carried it in a hundred battles. The thought horrifies him and he wants to throw it away.
He hears a voice say “A man destined for glory,” and turns to see a beautiful woman in a white silk dress. He’s entranced by her, but suddenly also feels cold. She tells him that a man should embrace his destiny with both hands, and Perrin starts to agree with her, then remembers that he has no interest in glory. It is only her suggestion that makes him want it. He removes the helmet and remarks that it isn’t his. She presses that any man with blood in his veins would want glory, as much glory as if he had sounded the Horn of Valere.
“I don’t,” he said, though a piece of him shouted that he lied. The Horn of Valere. The Horn rang out, and the wild charge began. Death rode at his shoulder, and yet she waited ahead, too. His lover. His destroyer. “No! I am a blacksmith.”
Her smile was pitying. “Such a little thing to want. You must not listen to those who would try to turn you from your destiny. They would demean you, debase you. Destroy you. Fighting fate can only bring pain. Why choose pain, when you can have glory? When your name can be remembered alongside all the heroes of legend?”
Perrin answers that he is no hero, but she answers that he doesn’t know half of what he is, and asks him to share a drink with her, offering him a silver cup filled with blood-red wine. Perrin feels a growling in his mind and pushes it away, refusing to listen and exclaiming “no!” out loud. She urges him to drink from the cup, which is suddenly golden, confusing Perrin, but the sound trying to demand his attention comes again, and again he refuses, throwing the helmet away and crying out that he is a man. Darkness covers him, but he hears her voice following him.
“The night is always there, and dreams come to all men. Especially you, my wildling. And I will always be in your dreams.”
Perrin finds himself back in clothes suitable for a blacksmith, but he’s more focused on his surroundings now.
He stood on a low-railed bridge of stone, arching from one wide, flat-topped stone spire to another, spires that rose from depths too far for even his eyes to penetrate. The light would have been dim to any other eyes, and he could not make out from where it came. It just was. Everywhere he looked, left and right, up or down, were more bridges, more spires, and railless ramps. There seemed no end to them, no pattern. Worse, some of those ramps climbed to spire tops that had to be directly above the ones they had left. Splashing water echoed, the sound seeming to come from everywhere at once. He shivered with cold.
Suddenly, from the corner of his eye, he caught a motion, and without thinking, he crouched behind the stone railing. There was danger in being seen. He did not know why, but he knew it was true. He just knew.
Perrin catches distant sight of a woman in a white dress hurrying somewhere, then notices a man on a ramp nearby, distinguished-looking and dressed in green and gold. Then another, shorter man, dressed in red and black, starts across the same bridge from the other side, and the two approach each other warily. They begin to talk, and Perrin notes that they do not trust each other, might even hate each other. Perrin glances around for the woman again, but she has disappeared, and when he looks back there is a third man with the others, dressed in black and white lace. Perrin feels like he recognizes him, and has a hazy recollection of an inn, and something else before that, but he can’t place it. There is something strange about his eyes.
The three men begin to argue, until the third man throws his hands wide and an expanding ball of fire envelopes the three of them, growing outward towards Perrin. He huddles behind the railing, arms over his head, buffeted by terrible heat. He can feel the fiery gale burning through him and cries out. Then it is suddenly gone, and Perrin finds himself unscathed, with only the memory of the heat left in his mind. He looks out at the spot where the men were, but there is only a burned-away section left of the bridge.
Then a prickling at the back of his neck makes him look up and he sees a shaggy wolf looking at him. Perrin runs, shouting that this is a nightmare and he wants to wake up, and as he runs his vision blurs and the scene shifts again.
Perrin knows for sure that he is dreaming as he looks around, seeing polished redstone columns holding up a domed ceiling. He has a vague sense that there might have been something before, but can’t remember.
And centered beneath the dome was the reason why all those feet had come to this chamber. A sword, hanging hilt down in the air, apparently without support, seemingly where anyone could reach out and take it. It revolved slowly, as if some breath of air caught it. Yet it was not really a sword. It seemed made of glass, or perhaps crystal, blade and hilt and crossguard, catching such light as there was and shattering it into a thousand glitters and flashes.
Knowing that he has done this every time before, Perrin steps forward and reaches out for the hilt of the sword, only to have his hand hit a barrier that feels like stone, even though there appears to be nothing there.
A voice from somewhere whispers the name of the sword. “Callandor. Who wields me wields destiny. Take me, and begin the final journey.” Perrin is frightened, having never heard that voice in this dream before, and takes a step back. Then there is another whisper, one he knows, telling him that “The Twisted Ones come.”
… A wolf stood there among the columns, a mountain wolf, almost waist-high and shaggy white and gray. It stared at him intently with eyes as yellow as his own.
The Twisted Ones come.
“No,” Perrin rasped. “No! I will not let you in! I—will—not!”
He clawed his way awake and sat up in his hut, shaking with fear and cold and anger. “I will not,” he whispered hoarsely.
The Twisted Ones come.
The thought was clear in his head, but the thought was not his own.
The Twisted Ones come, brother.
Perrin leaps out of bed and snatches up his axe, running out into the cold to wake everyone. But before he can, Lan emerges from his own hut, calling that there are Trollocs in the camp. Men come tumbling out of their beds and rush into battle with the Trollocs that are pouring out of the trees, shouting for Shienar and for the Dragon Reborn as Lan and Moiraine dance through the Trollocs, cutting them down with sword and saidar, respectively. Some trees burst suddenly into flame, causing the Trollocs to shriek but not to slow in their attack.
Then Perrin sees Leya step out of Moiraine’s cabin, and her expression is one of pain and horror and loathing. He calls to her to hide, but she doesn’t hear him as he cuts down a Trolloc that suddenly stepped in front of him and scrambles up the slope towards her. Then he sees a Trolloc with a spiked axe take notice of her.
He cries out to her and at the last minute the Trolloc turns and engages him, its blade cutting across his back as he throws himself down to avoid the blow. They grapple, and the Trolloc sinks its teeth into Perrin’s arm. He nearly loses consciousness, but somehow his axe remains in his other hand. When he strikes the axe’s spike right into the Trolloc’s temple, it slides down the slope away from him, still twitching.
For a moment Perrin lay there, fighting for breath. The gash across his back burned, and he felt the wetness of blood. His shoulder protested as he pushed himself up. “Leya?”
She was still there, huddled in front of the hut, not more than ten paces upslope. And watching him with such a look on her face that he could barely meet her eyes.
“Don’t pity me!” he growled at her. “Don’t you—!”
The Myrddraal’s leap from the roof of the hut seemed to take too long, and its dead black cloak hung during the slow fall as if the Halfman were standing on the ground already. Its eyeless gaze was fixed on Perrin. It smelled like death.
Perrin, transfixed by its stare, can only manage to whisper for Leya to hide, as cold seeps into his body and he finds himself unable to move as the Myrddraal advances slowly, speaking to him: “Cut one leg of the tripod and all fall down.”
Then Leya throws herself at the Myrddraal, trying to wrap her arms around its legs. It cuts her down without even looking back.
Tears started in the corners of Perrin’s eyes. I should have helped her… saved her. I should have done… something! But so long as the Myrddraal stared at him with its eyeless gaze, it was an effort even to think.
We come, brother. We come, Young Bull.
Scores of mountain wolves tear out of the trees and attack the Trollocs, and their words reverberate through Perrin, their presence filling him until he can hardly remember that he’s a man. His eyes take in the light and shine yellow, causing the Myrddraal to hesitate. Perrin calls it “Neverborn,” the wolves’ name for Myrddraal, and attacks it. Despite the Myrddraal’s speed, Perrin, or rather, Young Bull, attacks with the fierceness of the wolves, completely determined to take it down no matter the cost. Like a wolf, he hamstrings the Myrddraal, then, as it falls and catches itself one hand, Perrin slices his axe into its throat and halfway through its neck.
Through the wolves, he’s aware of the Trollocs falling to the ground and thrashing with the death throes of the Myrddraal they’re connected to. The wolf part of him wants to join the others in finishing the Trollocs off, but the man part thinks first of Leya. As he turns her dead body over, he feels like she’s giving him an accusing stare, and he tells her that he tried to save her.
“What else could I have done? It would have killed you if I hadn’t killed it!”
Come, Young Bull. Come kill the Twisted Ones.
Wolf rolled over him, enveloped him. Letting Leya back down, Perrin took up his axe, blade gleaming wetly. His eyes shone as he raced down the rocky slope. He was Young Bull.
Perrin joins the battle. Lan’s sword flashes like lightning as he fights another Myrddraal, while Loial swings a huge club. Other men fight in the shadows, although Young Bull notices that many of them are down. He joins one of the small packs of wolves, fighting with his axe as teeth, thinking of the individual fights instead of the larger battle, the way a wolf does. He feels the urge to use his teeth instead of his axe, to run on four legs like his brothers and sisters, and the Trollocs appear even more frightened of him than of the other wolves. And then it’s done—all the Trollocs are dead and he can feel some of the wolves chasing the last Myrddraal.
Young Bull snarled as the first brother died, its death pain lancing him, yet the others closed in and more brothers and sisters died, but snapping jaws dragged the Neverborn down. It fought back with its own teeth now, ripping out throats, slashing with fingernails that sliced skin and flesh like the hard claws the two-legs carried, but brothers savaged it even as they died. Finally a lone sister heaved herself out of the still-twitching pile and staggered to one side. Morning Mist, she was called, but as with all their names, it was more than that: a frosty morning with the bite of snows yet to come already in the air, and the mist curling thick across the valley, swirling with the sharp breeze that carried the promise of good hunting. Raising her head, Morning Mist howled to the cloud-hidden moon, mourning her dead.
Young Bull threw back his head and howled with her, mourned with her.
When he lowers his head, Min is staring at him. She asks if he’s alright, and then he notices that everyone who is still standing is staring at him, too. But there are so many Shienarans down. And so many wolves.
He feels the urge to howl again and struggles to wall himself off from the contact with the wolves. When that’s done, he tells Min that he’s alright, and Lan distracts from the attention by commending him on how well he fought and crying aloud “Tai’shar Manetheren! Tai’shar Andor!” (True Blood of Manetheren. True Blood of Andor.)
Perrin is grateful that he doesn’t have to answer questions about his behavior, but he’s embarrassed by the honor he doesn’t feel he deserves. He murmurs to Min that Leya’s dead, and Min reminds him that he couldn’t have stopped it no matter what he did, and tells him to go to Moiraine to have his back Healed.
Perrin thinks of how he nearly didn’t come back from the wolves this time, but also of how, when he’s with the wolves, he doesn’t have to worry about what people think of him, of strangers being afraid of his size or people thinking that he’s slow because he is careful. With the wolves, he’s just another wolf. He struggles against that feeling.
Then Masema speaks up, declaring that the wolves are a sign to confirm their faith in the Dragon, since it is said that in the Last Battle the Lord Dragon will call forth the beasts of the forest to fight at their side. He insist that this means they are meant to go forth, that only Darkfriends will refuse to join them.
Uno tells him off, reminding him that they will go when Rand orders it, not before. He observes, tiredly, that at least they will have wolf hides to keep them warm, but Perrin snaps at him, reminding Uno that the wolves fought for them and declaring that they will be buried alongside the dead men. Uno yields before Perrin’s golden stare.
He asks after Rand, who Min tells him is once again refusing to talk to anyone, and goes up the slope to see him. Rand tells him, bitterly, that all he could do during the fight was light the trees on fire instead of the Trollocs and Fades, that he was first unable to grasp the True Source, and then when he finally had it, it was too much. He confesses that he even thought about pulling the mountain down on them.
Perrin tells Rand awkwardly that it’s alright, that they dealt with it and didn’t need him, and Rand answers that he felt them coming. But he took the sensation to be more of the taint, and was too late in realizing the difference. He could have given warning.
This brings back Perrin’s guilt as well, since he, too, could have given warning sooner if he’d listened to the wolves. But he’s not sure that he would have been able to remain here, now, if he had let the wolves into his mind before. He thinks of Elyas, who seemed to keep his sense of his own humanity, but Perrin never found out how he did it.
Lan and Moiraine join them, Moiraine clearly weary and being helped along by the Warder. She uses her angreal to heal Perrin’s wounds, and he can actually feel his muscles knitting back together, along with the shock of cold from the channeling. When she’s done, even Perrin’s bare feet are healed from the damage of running and climbing on the rocky slope. He’s also ravenous, and Moiraine tells him he needs to eat to replace the energy his body expended in the Healing.
She also tells him that she Healed those injured wolves that didn’t run off into the forest. Min refuses healing for her bruises, but when Moiraine asks Rand if he was nicked or cut by any blade, they discover that it’s not a new wound they have to be concerned about, but Rand’s old injury from his battle with Ba’alzamon in Falme, which has reopened.
Moiraine hissed and jerked her arm free from Lan, half fell to her knees beside Rand. Pulling back the side of his coat, she studied his wound. Perrin could not see it, for her head was in the way, but the smell of blood was stronger, now. Moiraine’s hands moved, and Rand grimaced in pain. “ ‘The blood of the Dragon Reborn on the rocks of Shayol Ghul will free mankind from the Shadow.’ Isn’t that what the Prophecies of the Dragon say?”
“Who told you that?” Moiraine said sharply.
“If you could get me to Shayol Ghul now,” Rand said drowsily, “by Waygate or Portal Stone, there could be an end to it. No more dying. No more dreams. No more.”
Moiraine tells him that if it were that simple, she would find a way to get him there, but cautions against interpreting The Karaethon Cycle literally. She Heals Rand as much as she can, telling him he must be careful not to open it again before she passes out. Lan catches her, remarking that it’s a pity that there is no one to Heal her. Min hesitantly suggests Rand, but Lan answers that, no offence to Rand, but he might kill her as easily as help her.
“That’s right,” Rand said bitterly. “I’m not to be trusted. Lews Therin Kinslayer killed everyone close to him. Maybe I’ll do the same before I am done.”
“Pull yourself together, sheepherder,” Lan said harshly. “The whole world rides on your shoulders. Remember you’re a man, and do what needs to be done.”
“Rand looked up at the Warder, and surprisingly, all of his bitterness seemed to be gone. “I will fight the best I can,” he said. “Because there’s no one else, and it has to be done, and the duty is mine. I’ll fight, but I do not have to like what I’ve become.” He closed his eyes as if going to sleep. “I will fight. Dreams…”
Lan looks at him for a moment, then nods and urges Perrin and Min to get Rand to bed, then follow suit. They have no idea what the next day might hold for them.
Perrin sleeps soundly, full and exhausted, and wakes to Lan shaking his shoulders, telling him that Rand is gone. Perrin dresses quickly and heads to Moiraine’s cabin, passing Shienarans slowly clearing away the dead. On his way Masema stops him, saying that Perrin must know why “the Lord Dragon” abandoned them, and what sin they committed to drive him to it. Perrin answers that whatever the Lord Dragon did was according to his plans, and that he would never abandon them, and while he’s not entirely confident of his own words, Masema is mollified.
Perrin finds Loial and Min waiting with Moiraine in her hut. He asks where Rand went, and why, and if anyone saw him go. He also asks if it’s Moiraine’s fault that Rand left, causing Loial to stiffen in anxiety.
Moiraine answers that this is not of her making, and that she hopes to learn when and why Rand left. She gives Perrin a note that Rand left behind.
What I do, I do because there is no other way. He is hunting me again, and this time one of us has to die, I think. There is no need for those around me to die, also. Too many have died for me already. I do not want to die either, and will not, if I can manage it. There are lies in dreams, and death, but dreams hold truth, too.
None of the Shienarans saw Rand leave, although Moiraine points out testily that none of them would have dared oppose the Lord Dragon in any case, prompting Perrin to ask her what exactly she expected of them, and of Rand, who only declared himself the Dragon because she directed him down that path. He asks if Moiraine really believes that Rand is the Dragon, and she replies that he “is what he is.” Unsatisfied, and ignoring Loial’s protests about angering an Aes Sedai, Perrin demands to know if this is the Pattern showing Rand the right path, as Moiraine claimed it would, or if he’s just trying to get away from her. Moiraine is clearly very angry, but Perrin doesn’t back down, and Moiraine admits that this may, indeed, be the Pattern directing Rand, but that she never intended for him to go off alone. She’s concerned about his vulnerability and ignorance of the world, about the fact that he could kill himself with the One Power as easily as learn to control it. But Perrin still isn’t having it, and points out that maybe, if Rand is really who she says he is, he knows what he needs to do better than she does.
“He is what he is,” she repeated firmly, “but I must keep him alive if he is to do anything. He will fulfill no prophecies dead, and even if he manages to avoid Darkfriends and Shadowspawn, there are a thousand other hands ready to slay him. All it will take is a hint of the hundredth part of what he is. Yet if that were all he might face, I would not worry half so much as I do. There are the Forsaken to be accounted for.”
Loial begins to repeat the recitation about the Forsaken being bound in Shayol Guhl, but Moiraine cuts him off, reminding them that the seals are weakening, and some are even broken. The Dark One isn’t free yet, but some of the Forsaken might have gotten loose, and she lists off some of the names of the thirteen; Lanfear, Sammael, Asmodean, Be’lal, Rahvin, and Ishamael himself, the Betrayer of Hope. All the Forsaken were bound in the sealing, not in the Dark One’s prison itself, and any of them could be free to come after Rand now.
Perrin is chilled by her words, remembering being frightened by stories of the Forsaken when he was a child, and turns his attention back to Rand’s letter. He’s struck by the mention of dreams, and points out that Rand was talking about dreams the day before. Uno and Lan come in, but Moiraine is focused on Perrin’s observation and doesn’t let them interrupt. She asks what dreams Perrin has had lately, and he reluctantly tells her about the dream of the sword, leaving out the part where the wolf had appeared. Even Lan seems stunned by the description.
When questioned, Uno admits that he dreams of swords all the time, and can’t remember his dreams the way Perrin does. Loial only dreams of the stedding, as all Ogier do when they are away from home. But Moiraine tells Perrin that she doubts that his dream was only a dream.
“You describe the hall called the Heart of the Stone, in the fortress called the Stone of Tear, as if you had stood in it. And the shining sword is Callandor, the Sword That Is Not a Sword, the Sword That Cannot Be Touched.”
Loial sat up straight, bumping his head on the roof. He did not seem to notice. “The Prophecies of the Dragon say the Stone of Tear will never fall till Callandor is wielded by the Dragon’s hand. The fall of the Stone of Tear will be one of the greatest signs of the Dragon’s Rebirth. If Rand holds Callandor, the whole world must acknowledge him as the Dragon.”
“Perhaps,” Moiraine counters. She tells them that the prophecy of Callandor is only one fulfillment of The Karaethon cycle, just like the first one, his birth on the slopes of Dragonmount.
“He has yet to break the nations, or shatter the world. Even scholars who have studied the Prophecies for their entire lives do not know how to interpret them all. What does it mean that he ‘shall slay his people with the sword of peace, and destroy them with the leaf’? What does it meant that he ‘shall bind the nine moons to serve him’? Yet these are given equal weight with Callandor in the Cycle. “There are others. What ‘wounds of madness and cutting of hope’ has he healed? What chains has he broken, and who put into chains? And some are so obscure that he may already have fulfilled them, although I am not aware of it. But, no. Callandor is far from the end of it.”
She continues to tell them of the difficulties Rand will face in even getting into the fortress called Stone of Tear, the Tairens dislike of the One Power and of any man who would claim to be the Dragon, and how only the High Lords of Tear are allowed to enter the Heart of the Stone. She insists that Rand is not ready.
Min, irritated, asks why they are just sitting there, and Moiraine replies that she has to be sure. She soothes Min as they talk about how difficult it is to be chosen, or adjacent to one who is chosen, having to wait for what comes. Moiraine explains to Perrin that those who can channel the One Power and are particularly strong in Spirit can sometimes force their dreams onto others. Rand was probably doing it without even realizing. When Perrin demands to know why it didn’t happen to Moiraine or Lan, she explains that, as an enemy of the Shadow, she always shields herself, and that Lan receives that same protection “in the bonding.” Perrin’s angry, asking why Moiraine only tells them things after something has happened, and she points out that she can hardly share a lifetime of knowledge in one afternoon.
Lan returns a bit later with news about the various Shienarans who remember dreaming of swords, or columns, and some who remember that the sword appeared to be made of crystal or glass. Uno, meanwhile, explains that he followed Rand’s tracks and discovered that the earthquake Rand caused opened a space in the far wall of the previously closed valley, creating enough of a slope that one could get a horse up it. Moiraine immediately begins to make plans to follow him, telling Uno that the Shienarans cannot come; too many of them are still healing and won’t be able to move fast enough to overtake Rand. She promises to send for them when she can, and Uno leaves reluctantly.
Min is harder to convince. Moiraine needs her to take a message to the Amyrlin about what has happened, and it cannot be a man to demand an audience with the Amyrlin Seat. But she does ask Lan, Loial, and Perrin to come. Loial agrees eagerly, saying that Rand is his friend and that he doesn’t want to miss anything. Perrin agrees too; it has to be done, so he will do it.
As Lan escorts Min, Loial, and Perrin out of the cabin, Min stops and asks Lan if he has any message for Nynaeve; Lan is momentarily surprised that she knows, then recovers himself and tells her that anything he needs to say to Nynaeve he will tell her himself.
Outside, Loial and Perrin are glad for the fresh air after the stuffy and candle-smoke filled cabin, and Min complains that at least Loial and Perrin were asked, rather than commanded. But Loial points out that this is probably only because their answers were already certain. Still, Min is proud of Perrin for standing up to Moiraine.
She asks to speak to him alone, and warns him that she’s seen things about him that he should know about. Perrin doesn’t want to hear anything she’s read about him, but Min insists that there have been some new appearances since he agreed to go after Rand.
“After a moment [Perrin] said reluctantly,“What did you see?”
“An Aielman in a cage,” she said promptly. “A Tuatha’an with a sword. A falcon and a hawk, perching on your shoulders. Both female, I think. And all the rest, of course. What is always there. Darkness swirling ’round you, and—”
“None of that!” he said quickly. When he was sure she had stopped, he scratched his head, thinking. None of it made any sense to him. “Do you have any idea what it all means? The new things, I mean.”
“No, but they’re important. The things I see always are. Turning points in people’s lives, or what’s fated. It’s always important.” She hesitated for a moment, glancing at him. “One more thing,” she said slowly. “If you meet a woman—the most beautiful woman you’ve ever seen—run!”
Perrin asks why he would run from a beautiful woman, and Min insists that he just take her advice. Mulling it over, Perrin comes to the conclusion that Min must like him, and tries to let her down gently, but it turns out his impression is mistaken. She teases him, then repeats that he must take her advice and heads off down the slope. But Perrin follows her, realizing that it’s Rand she likes. He asks if Egwene knows and Min says that she does. Rand does not; she could hardly tell him that she did a reading of him and saw that she had to fall in love with him, and that she had to share him, too. Hiding tears, she tells Perrin she doesn’t know what she’ll do if he dies.
Perrin promises to do what he can, and tells her to go to Tar Valon where she will be safe. She is incredulous that he thinks Tar Valon is safe, and goes off to get ready to leave.
While I was going through these chapters, I struggled a little to make up my mind about which dreams were Rand’s and which were Perrin’s. Once Moiraine gave us the information about a channeler’s ability to push their dreams onto others, I briefly wondered if all of Perrin’s dreams were really Rand’s, since I wasn’t sure what interest Lanfear would have in him, or what the third dream even means. But on further consideration I don’t think that any but the last dream was Rand’s. This is the only one in which Perrin is aware that it’s a dream, perhaps suggesting that he doesn’t really belong there. The key to why Ba’alzamon and Lanfear might come to Perrin even now they know that he isn’t the Dragon Reborn seems to lie in the Myrddraal’s comment about cutting one leg off a tripod: Dragon or not, the other two ta’veren are still important. Lanfear and Ba’alzamon still have a vested interest in Perrin because of this tied fate, as Ba’alzamon mentioned, and perhaps also might have some interest in the wolfbrother thing, given that Lanfear calls him her “wildling.”
The well-dressed man in the first dream is definitely Ba’alzamon: There’s the little detail of him pressing his hand to his chest in reference to the injury he took from Rand in their last encounter, the question about there being something strange about eyes, and of course the sensation of heat like a furnace when he leaves Perrin. And then there’s the blood-red wine that both he and Lanfear kept trying to get Perrin to drink—Ba’alzamon tried to get Rand to drink spiced wine from a goblet in the very first dream he appeared in, and we still don’t know what would happen if anyone actually accepted one and drank from it. Nothing good, obviously, but I really would like more info on what Ba’alzamon—and now Lanfear too—is trying to accomplish. Is the drink poison? Does it establish some connection between the giver and the drinker? Is it like accepting the Dark One but for Forsaken folks instead? It’s interesting to note that sometimes in the dream Rand and Perrin have an instinct to resist the goblets, while other times they refuse to drink accidentally, as happens to Perrin here—he’s actually saying “no” to the call of the wolves, not to Lanfear’s urging.
But while the first two dreams seem to be the standard Darkfriend-invades-your-mind-in-your-sleep that we’ve seen from Ba’alzamon before, the third is very different. I wonder if anyone actually knew Perrin was there (unlikely, given his instinct that it would be dangerous to be seen) or if he somehow ended up in that dream place accidentally. The description of the space where Perrin sees the three men reminds me a lot of the Ways, with the long bridges and ramps that lead to places exactly above or below each other, and it made me wonder if there is some kind of metaphysical path one has to follow to get into someone else’s dreams—like the Ways but for minds. Moiraine mentioned something called a Dreamwalker back in The Eye of the World, and said there hadn’t been one for a long time, but I imagine it’s not a huge stretch for Aes Sedai as powerful as the Forsaken to do it.
My real question, however, is: Can wolves do it, too?
As we’ve seen more of Perrin’s communications with the wolves, it’s been shown how complex, and strong, their form of telepathy is. In The Great Hunt, we saw that the wolves were able to protect Perrin’s dreams to a certain extent. At first I thought of this presence as being more symbolic than literal, but now it appears as though the wolves may actually be able to come into Perrin’s mind, much the way Ba’alzamon does. And if wolves can do it, perhaps wolf brothers can also. It’s possible, even likely, that Perrin was never meant to be in that space in the third dream, but managed to navigate there somehow in time to witness Lanfear hurrying away and Ba’alzamon having an argument with the other two men. I wonder which of the Forsaken those guys were.
I guess I’ve been rather critical of Perrin’s resistance to the wolves up until now, but I hadn’t picked up on this danger of losing himself to the wolf identity. If the chance of forgetting who he is is really as strong as Perrin believes, that’s a more complicated and compelling concern than the general fear of being different and having strange powers. Any time Perrin has connection with the wolves, I’m always thinking of how human Elyas seemed and how at peace he was with himself. Perhaps Elyas’s training as a Warder helped him maintain a certain level of mental discipline and so hold onto his human side more easily. I wonder if he ever intentionally slips deeper into the wolf side for certain activities and becomes more human again for others, like when he greeted Egwene and Perrin that first time.
The parallel between Perrin and Rand still holds strong, though. When Perrin was telling the wolf presence that he wouldn’t let it in, I was reminded of Rand struggling with his desire for saidin as he talked to Ba’alzamon in the mirror world, back in The Great Hunt.
“I will not touch it!” Rand felt the void around him, felt saidin. “I won’t.” (tGH, pg 241)
“No,” Perrin rasped. “No! I will not let you in! I—will—not!” (tDR, pg 107)
I love how the wolves completely accept Perrin, even without Perrin accepting them in kind. Perrin’s thought about how he is just another wolf when he is with them, how he doesn’t have to worry about the judgments and prejudices of humans, really struck home with me. It’s a slightly different way to explore Perrin’s struggle with who he is, his capacity for violence and his capacity for peace, and his desire to assert his own intelligence. I thought his questioning of Moiraine was pretty fair, particularly his points about pushing Rand away and about not telling them anything about their own fates. Of course, Moiraine is right when she says that she can’t teach them everything she knows, but also… well, it’s pretty clear that she doesn’t really want to try. All her work to find the Dragon has been necessarily secret, but she’s going to have to start giving over a little of that control now that she’s found the man destined to fulfill those prophecies. And not just to Rand, but to the other important players as well. She’s no longer capable of holding all the cards, and I expect that change might be difficult for her to accept. After all, she’s been mostly on her own with this for a long time, and keeping secrets from even her closest friends. The way she comforted Min during the conversation about how hard it is to be chosen or caught up with those who are chosen reminded me that Moiraine, for all her knowledge, is still almost as helpless in the face of destiny and the Pattern as everyone else. The way she always repeats “the Wheel weaves as the Wheel wills” can get a bit grating at times, but she must be trying to comfort and bolster herself with the recitation as much as trying to convince anyone around her.
In other discoveries this week, I’ve been waiting for the whole “sword that isn’t a sword” thing to come up more specifically in Rand’s journey, and I’m happy we’ve finally gotten to Callandor—I guess Rand needs a new “sword” now that the heron-marked blade is gone. At the moment I’m assuming it’s some kind of sa’angreal but who knows? I am, however, ready to take a guess at the meaning of “shall slay his people with the sword of peace, and destroy them with the leaf,” though. Since Rand is Aiel, and the Aiel are a warrior race, bringing them to a path of peace would fundamentally change (aka destroy) their current identity as a people. The word “sword” here could very easily be a metaphor, and I’m also reminded of the Shienaran farewell “May peace favor your sword.” And “leaf” obviously refers to the Way of the Leaf, a way of peace rather than violence.
Now why Rand would lead/force the Aiel to a path of peace is another question, one I am less able to predict at this time, unless it just means that once Sightblinder is defeated they can all lay down their arms. In any case, the idea of leading the Aiel to a way of peace raises some interesting questions, especially on the heels of the conversations that Perrin has been having about nonviolence and the way of life of the Tuatha’an.
Speaking of Perrin and prophecy, Masema mentions that the Dragon is supposed to summon the beasts of the forest to fight alongside them in the Last Battle, but it’s possible that it’s actually Perrin who will do that, just as it will have to be Mat calling the Heroes of the Horn, unless he dies somewhere in the books. If these things are done while fighting with the Dragon, in the Dragon’s name, I think that should still count towards fulfilling prophecies. A tripod indeed, and each of them important to what ultimately unfolds.
It makes me wonder why Jordan chose to make the three boys ta’veren, but neither Egwene nor Nynaeve have the same status. Ba’alzamon tried to have them taken away across the sea by the Seanchan explicitly because their existence is critical to Rand’s success, as Perrin and Mat’s appears to be, but there is still this distinct difference between what they are and what the boys are. That isn’t to say that one who isn’t ta’veren can’t be important or helpful. I also imagine that the concept of ta’veren wasn’t fully fledged when Jordan began The Eye of the World—the main reason to have all three boys be ta’veren might just have been so that it was unclear which of them was the Dragon Reborn. But the choice still feels glaring to me, and there’s no real way to avoid the obvious divide based on gender.
Brb, just taking a moment to imagine Perrin as a badass lady blacksmith wolfsister. It’s a nice thought.
And as for Rand, well, he said that he caused the earthquake because he drew too much power and had to release it somewhere, and I think I believe him. But it sure is convenient timing that he also provided himself with an escape route right before he needed it, and there’s always a possibility he might have done it on purpose. I do feel for Rand; he’s already at that point in the hero’s journey where he just wants to sacrifice himself and end it, which makes sense for a trilogy, but since I have the perspective of knowing how many more books are to come, it changes what that level of determined despair means to me as a reader. I don’t doubt Ishamael is going to be around for most if not all of the series (although there’s always a chance I’m wrong about that!) and we can’t keep ending every book with Rand thinking that he’s killed him, only to find out at the beginning of the next that the dude has more lives than a black cat. So something is going to have to shift in that formula—and I’m interested to see what it is.
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I’m also starting to see some of those distinct categories of channeling. Moiraine mentioned being strong in Spirit as a necessary component in pushing one’s dreams on others, and I went back and looked at when she first explained the Five Powers to Egwene: Earth, Wind, Fire, Water, and Spirit. I guess we now know that Rand has strength in Spirit and also in Earth. Ba’alzamon must have a lot of strength in Fire, since that’s a good half of what he does and it’s coming out of his face all the time. I’m curious as to which Power Healing belongs to… Spirit as well, one supposes. But that makes Spirit a much broader category than the other four, which are just the elements. That feels a bit boring right now, if I’m honest, but I’m sure that it will become much more complicated than that. Nothing in channeling is simple.
So perhaps wolves are strong in Spirit, not quite in the same way as a wielder of the One Power, but in some other way that relates to the natural world. And perhaps that is also what Min has, some kind of sensitivity to this side of the Power, an ability to perceive it but not to control it. It’s interesting too because I think that Min’s ability to see part of the Pattern is actually the closest thing to proof of free will in Rand’s universe that we’ve seen so far. Ta’veren might be held to a tight line by the Pattern, and the Pattern might generally direct courses of events, but Min’s readings can change when people make big decisions, and I think that shows the truth of actual choice. If the Pattern was always going to send Perrin one way, already knew or created his decision to go with Moiraine, then it seems unlikely that different images would suddenly appear around him. It happened with Egwene, Nynaeve, and Elayne when they chose to go with Liandrin to Falme too. I’d love to know more about how Min’s abilities work, but then, so would the Aes Sedai. I wish she were going with Moiraine and the others to find Rand… hopefully she won’t be too cooped up at Tar Valon.
Three more chapters next week, and more dreams await us. I’ll try to keep the summaries to a reasonable length while I’m at it. Until then, see you in the comments!
Sylas K Barrett supports Perrin’s need to eat a good amount of meat whenever he can. We can’t all be vegans, Young Bull.
OP:
You’ll be wondering and arguing about that for a long time yet, lol. I know the rest of us did. The large and small of it is this story was conceived, and the first draft written in 1986, and Robert Jordan was an early boomer from the South. It probably didn’t occur to him to MAKE one of the ladies ta’veren when he initially created the story. But as you say, as the story grew, he definitely made them more and more critical.
This is pretty much exactly how being ta’veren works. Its a brilliant device to explain the necessities of plot. Rand does some pretty shrewd and crafty things in these books, but I’m reasonably confident this isn’t one of them.
I’m not sure where you are getting that from. I don’t want to say too much, because I’m not sure exactly how much information we’ve gotten on Min’s visions yet, but I’d be interested in you elaborating on this. Where have you experienced Min’s readings changing from one thing to another based on people’s choices?
You’ve misspelled one of the Forsaken: Rahvin, not Ravhin. And those folks won’t forgive :)
Also, Tuatha’an and sa’angreal
Saidari sounds cool, but I think you meant saidar :)
Lot of foreshadowing in this section of the book. I mean a LOT.
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So true. And lots of outstanding character work, all while basically making sure you remember the previous 700,000 words. No one was better at the info dump than Robert Jordan. You’ve got the whole thing with Leya and the Tinkers there to make sure you remember what the Way of the Leaf is in the Prophecy in this section, as well as using it as a chance to explain how Min’s visions work again. Every single line in these chapters serves three or four purposes simultaneously. Its extraordinary.
Sylas is incredibly perceptive and really, really good at picking up clues. Better than most of us on a first reading I bet.
Don’t worry. Egwene and Nynaeve don’t need to be ta’veren to make the Pattern scream for mercy.
Rand is a very responsible young man, normally a Good Thing, but it can be taken to far. Moiraine is failing badly as a mentor and guide. When your protegee runs away from you you are doing it wrong. And yes she has serious control and communication issues. Perrin has carefully trained himself to be gentle and calm. That makes the Wolves intensely threatening to his sense of self.
Lanfear really is a one trick pony isn’t she? Glory, glory, glory. Sex and glory. That’s all she’s got and,Lanfear, that doesn’t work on everybody. Pay attention to your feedback!
I’ll just say, I cant wait for you to find more about dreams, as well as take a go at more of the visions/prophecies :) You’ve already made some interesting connections :)
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Certainly better than me. Probably better than I would do now on a first read as well. I’d read this particular book four times by the time I was 15, so I pretty much missed everything on my first read. Even my second read.
I don’t know if Rand is taking responsibility too far, here. I think its more that he doesn’t know how to go about it properly. And he was raised alone. In the woods. By a dude. Its more how Rand goes about being responsible that is problematic. He takes the wrong lessons to heart, frequently.
True, but its a really good trick, especially when coupled with the likelihood she is using a // subtle form of Compulsion while doing it // . And Perrin shows the ability to resist it here. A prelude to // A Memory of Light? //
On Mat, Rand, and Perrin being the only ta’veren:
I always believed this was because the pattern demanded a champion. We see it happen with higher occurrences of male channelers calling themselves the Dragon. I think it also spooled the threads of the pattern around these 3 boys in a similar refinement process — if that makes any sense. Mat and Perrin just happened to be closely associated with Rand. Anyways, this is just pure speculation but it was how my mind rationalized it.
I think there might be an unclosed Italics tag in your title, since the formatting is messing up everything else in my comments list :)
@2, 3, 10 — Fixed, thanks!
@1
I’m fairly certain Sylas was not speaking about an individual vision changing but the very existence of new visions. The very fact that Min can experience a new vision after a decision is made implies strongly that the vision has come about because of the decision. It follows logically then that Free Will with a capitol F and W very likely exist. Of course it can be argued that these visions did not exist for some other reason – and a few spring to mind – but by far the simplest explanation is that it was directly causal from the decision itself.
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I’m inexpressibly excited to see how your feelings on this develop over the course of the book. More development in this category is definitely on the way, and this book is where I absolutely fell in love with the magic system in these books. // I did feel that the info dump about channeling individual flows of the elements is handled unusually ham-fistedly by Jordan, but we’ll see when Sylas gets there in a couple weeks. //
Love Jordan’s characters… Perrin… one of the best character’s created… ever. Only flaw in characterization is, he may fall into the bucket of “overly wise for his age”.
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Sure, but simply her seeing them means that from that point on, nothing they do can change the situation… at least that’s what Min believes. And we don’t have anything to go on up to this point in the story where we can say that an action directly caused Min’s vision. The evidence surrounding that is circumstantial at best.
In some cases, this is months and years into the future that she sees. Which isn’t how people normally think of free will. It implies that at least some things can become fixed, and become unchangeable // with the exception of the Dark One touching the pattern, of course // . Its an interesting aside in the greater cosmology of The Wheel of Time, one that I’m not sure can ever be reconciled with our own thoughts on free will and determinism, because our western philosophies are so steeped in the linear progression of time. I don’t think its an either/or in this case. There is free will, but there is also the Pattern. Time is locked, and its not.
@13:
He has his moments. And then he has // four entire books where he is a teenage emo disaster. //
@1
In the first draft Rand and the other boys did not exist, the protagonist was an old war veteran named Rhys. But in the process of developing the story Rhys gained to many abilities that it became unmanageable. So RJ basically broke Rhys up into four characters, Tam the war veteran, Rand the Dragon, Perrin the wolfbrother and Mat with the dagger/luck.
Sorry for the big block of white here, but I have some more thoughts on Min, her visions, free will and prophecy in the Wheel of Time, and the vast majority of it contains spoilers.
// I think Jordan intentionally left the question of Free Will versus a closed cycle of time open, for the most part. But there are some things I think you can read into. I think its safe to assume that any part of the cosmology of the Wheel of Time that seems like a fixed destiny is because of the Pattern. Even though it is spinning out variations of the same seven Ages, over and over again, the details are different. But I’m not sure it can be supported that the details are random. I think there is a great deal of predeterminism in the cosmology of the Wheel of Time, and it is caused by the Pattern.
When Min has a vision, we are seeing this predeterminism in action. When a Foretelling is given, we also see it. We see it heavily in Egwene’s and Perrin’s dreams. But like Moiraine explains, not all things are subject to this deterministic Pattern. But the major things are, and for ta’veren, that is even moreso.
There is a wild card in this, of course. And that is the Dark One, who exists outside the Pattern, and is therefore not subject to it. We see that Pattern start to unravel later in the series. Min begins to have visions with either/or scenarios, and visions where she is not certain of the outcome. There are Foretellings that have the same kind of feel to them as well. I think this is because the Dark One has disturbed the Pattern so much that the predetermined future the Pattern is weaving comes into doubt. This is pretty standard thinking amongst the community over the years.
But what came to my mind today while thinking about this stuff was that Min didn’t see any images around Lanfear.
She says people who use the power, and Warders, always have images around them. But we are in her PoV at the end of tGH, and she describes nothing regarding any visions regarding Lanfear. Which, maybe is just an oversight on Robert Jordan’s part. Maybe. But it got me thinking.
Many believe that what Min does is related to what the Ael’finn and El’finn do. We get a description of the ‘finn reading the air above Mat’s head, which is exactly how Jordan describes what Min does. Moiraine describes what they do as reading the Pattern, just like she does Min. And we know that questions that touch the Shadow are not allowed, and are even dangerous.
What if this is related to the fact that the Dark One exists outside the Pattern?
The readings are dangerous because any reading the ‘finn do is corrupted by a force that exists outside the Pattern? What if Min wasn’t able to get any readings on Lanfear, because she is so steeped in the Shadow, that the Dark One’s influence is so great over her, that her actions are so outside the Pattern, that there is nothing to Read?
Which got me thinking about Padan Fain. While he has been corrupted by Mordeth, and is actively working against the Shadow, he was first — distilled — and remade with the Dark One’s essence. Is Padan Fain a complete agent of Chaos, then? When he influences Pedron Niall, and Elaida, is his touch similar to the Dark One’s? Does it manipulate them in to taking action that is contrary to what the Pattern wants? Even Big Actions?
Maybe Padan Fain is an anti-tav’eren. Maybe nothing he does is governed by the Pattern. Maybe he is a true wild card in a deeper way than we ever imagined?
Min was around Dashiva at some point, wasn’t she? Rand chose Dashiva to stay with him, so she must have been. Do we get a POV with Min when Dashiva is in the room? Maybe he is also lacking in visions? //
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Very cool!
I think the boys being Ta’veren is also due to them (other than Rand, who is the focus of the stories and prophecies) not being super-duper power users, like the wonder girls have the potential to be.
The speculation on what element of Power does what is a little premature, as well as who is strong at what. Dreamwalking will come up more later in the books and be a key element.
Moderators, I think at this point in the re-read, the last word in Rhys al’Thor @15 may be a spoiler.
After a few re-reads, I became convinced that Min’s warning to Perrin about running away from the most beautiful woman he has ever seen was not one of her images. Rather, it was because she saw Lanfear in person at the end of TGH (when she was trying to keep Rand warm in the bed). Does anybody disagree? The way she saved it as an after thought made it like it was not one of the viewings she said she saw when he made the decision to go after Rand.
Thanks for reading my musings.
AndrewHB
@1 After making a choice new images appeared around Perrin which Min felt she had to tell him about. Until he’d made the choice those images didn’t exist.
@16 – that’s really interesting.
Of course, if true, that almost makes //The Dark One a ‘good guy’ in a sense, lol. But I also wasn’t a huge fan of the philosophy underlying the ending in which the Dark One is necessary for free will, etc. In some ways – the Dark One as an agent of freedom from the pattern – would kind of fit with that, though.//
@19 Completely agree. It was Min’s own advice, not a viewing.
@19:
That’s always the way I took it. I didn’t know there was a question about it.
@20:
Which is why I called it circumstantial, not non-existent, because we can’t know that there is direct causation in that example. Because we don’t actually know how Min’s visions work. That’s kind of the point. She had a new vision. An old one didn’t change to something else.
But either way, that doesn’t mean what is implied. Just because it became apparent to Min in that moment, doesn’t mean it wasn’t going to happen anyway. The only way Min’s visions could prove Free Will as a concept by any logical method is if she saw a vision, then Perrin made a decision, and then that vision went away and never occurred.
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@21:
Agreed regarding the whited out part. But I think its less about freedom vs determinism and more about // order vs chaos // .
AP @16. I disagree with your statement about Min and Lanfear. I will try to white out what follows.
Min does see an abnormal amount of images around the Spider just before Min exposes the Spider in the AMoL. She states that she has trained herself to ignore all the images constantly floating around channelers and warders and the like. That was why she did not realize something was odd about the ‘servant” until Min really started to look at everybody present during that scene.
Thanks for reading my musings.
AndrewHB
@26:
Thanks, that’s another example I had forgotten about, and a great point. Still doesn’t explain not seeing them around Lanfear. They were alone, except the unconscious Rand, who had no images around him because unconscious people never do. Maybe // Moghedien isn’t steeped in Shadow // as much as the person who opened the // Bore in the first place, and was bathed in whatever disaster it was that destroyed the Collam Daan, yet left her alive? // It might not be that every Forsaken has been touched by the Dark One in the exact same way?
If its just an oversight on RJs part, its a huge missed opportunity.
Good stuff as always Sylas. // Our first glimpse of Tel’aran’rhiod and the Wolf Dream. //.
@27 I’m not sure I’m sold by your thesis, but it is an interesting one, so here’s food for thought:
// I had always read the sections between Rand/Lewis and Mierin to imply that she had not chosen the Shadow voluntarily (though her character was far from pristine). I always read her transformation into Lanfear as being more like the forced transformation caused by 13 channelers/Myrddraal. This could explain the difference, namely Lanfear was literally steeped in Shadow. //
@28:
I think, technically, the // Dreamshards // that Ba’alzamon pulled the boys in to are part of // T’A’R // as well. At least, // Mogehdien // thinks of it as part of // T’A’R in the prologue of AMOL //. And possibly the battle between Rand and Ba’alzamon at the end of tGH also took place in // T’A’R //, although in such a way that it was visible in the // Waking World. // Possibly. Its a theory.
@29:
I don’t know if she was // forced // , so much as overwhelmed by // bathing // in the presence of a being that powerful. Either way, I do think there are degrees to which the Forsaken have given themselves to the Dark One, with // Lanfear and Ishamael // at one end, and // Asmodean // at the other. And Lanfear’s // baptism // , for lack of a better word, is most definitely different than how every other Forsaken came to // experience the Presence of the Dark One // .
Not sure if anybody else pointed this out, but with the three boys all being ta’veren it makes it difficult for the “forces of evil” to figure out which is which. The whole confusion over which might actually be the Dragon was a pretty useful component of the first book or two. That said, making on of the ladies ta’veren as well wouldn’t have been crazy; although such a concentration in one place gets harder to explain as you tack on more.
Needless to say, that was one important little village!
@29 – Not according to the Creator, aka Robert Jordan:
Wasn’t Lanfear the only one who chose her own name, as well?
I always thought (maybe just head cannon) that //Lanfear knew she was releasing something bad before the bore was even drilled and that everyone else involved were just unwitting pawns. //
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Regarding Min’s viewings: //Lanfear definitely *chose* the Shadow and was not turned in any way by what happened at the Sharom — Beidomon was her closest partner and he never fell. Thus, that explanation doesn’t quite hold up for me. But I like Mr. Pero’s overall idea and thus propose an easy explanation for the Moghedien viewings: the Dark One’s influence only fully destabilizes destiny at Shayol Ghul itself. After passing into his event horizon, threads in the Pattern can come out going any which way he chooses, but they follow that new arc and thus can be predicted by *Finns and Doomseers. Lanfear may well have been going back to Shayol Ghul very shortly after Min saw her, preventing any visions from being able to form because the Dark One would shift her character arcdestiny. Moghedien, meanwhile, was seen towards the end of Tarmon Gaidon, days before the Bore was sealed for the rest of her life. She never returned to the Dark One and thus her thread was in the same state as anyone else’s: either Rand would win and her fate would spin out towards slavery, Seanchan, and a trio of unpublished novels, or the Wheel would be destroyed and all of Min’s viewings would be rendered void.//
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Ironically, RJ himself misspelled Rahvin as Ravhin in this very text! I know it’s that way in my copy, as well as here on Google Books.
I wonder if the women not being ta’veren may actually be a statement about agency. The women choose to go to Tar Valon and to actively engage with their journeys towards the last battle // weaving”” the pattern perhaps more than being woven? /\// while the men actively fight their destinies until they are able to subvert them through wit, character, or strength and/or recognize they have no other choice.
Lanfear //is definitely using Compulsion here! Compare the text when she first appears (“He realized that every other woman he had ever seen was clumsy and ill-shaped”) with what happens when Moghedien walks into the Three Plum Court in Tanchico, or any time we are in a non-Graendal POV with Graendal. And Perrin shivers and wondered why he felt cold! A hint that Lanfear was channeling, maybe before RJ decided that only male channelers could feel that.
Sylas’s summary of the next line left me flabbergasted, and scrambling for a copy of the text to see if it was accurate. And it was:
She wouldn’t be smiling if she could see what Perrin did grasp with both hands in the end!//
//Perrin doesn’t shiver because of channeling but because of the cold in the waking world. It is repeatedly mentioned in his dreams, not just when a Forsaken is channeling.//
This section gave rise to what I (and apparently only I) consider The Greatest WoT Mystery of All Time — why do wolves call Myrddraal “Neverborn”?? They are born, to Trollocs. Humans know this, if they know things about Shadowspawn. If wolves don’t know it, I don’t know why they would assume otherwise. People have given me numerous possible answers over the years, for which I’m very grateful, but the actual answer will remain unknown forever. I should have somehow asked Jordan about it when he was alive. Faugh.
Still, it gives me a most amusing vision of Perrin shouting “Neverborn!” at a Myrdraal who shouts back “Stop dissing my mom!”
The Myrddraal remarks that “If one leg of the tripod is cut, all fall down.” Then Perrin killed him and the Trollocs mind-bonded to him all dropped dead. Not a good time to advertise your weakness, dude. :-p
How did those burning trees not create a larger forest fire? Was the forest not very dense?
Perrin recalls his mother saying “Lanfear waits in the night for little boys who don’t go to bed when they are supposed to.” Hah. Lanfear attacks people after they go to bed. I suppose she could be annoyed if they kept her waiting, but they’re imperiled in any case. :-p
Heh. Ta’veren-ness is canonical plot armor, a way to have characters be reality-warping special snowflakes and make this aspect of them a feature, not a flaw. I say this in admiration, not criticism. Mind you, some non-Ta’veren characters are also special snowflakes, which I’m fine with.
//“I never had a sister –“ What? Perrin does have sisters. For now.///
@41 – About your whited out comment. I believe I heard that it was corrected in later versions.
If the girls were actively Ta’veren they might not have been able to train in the tower. I imagine the White Tower would consider it dangerous to keep one local.
Heck, if the girls had been ta’veren, would they have even survived The Great Hunt if they *had* been allowed to train? The Black Ajah is genre savvy enough to deduce that selling not one but two ta’veren into slavery in a hideously autocratic, magic-hating empire might end with sweeping pro-channeling reforms and the formation of a constitutional republic before the month was out. Better to just arrange for Nynaeve to suffer an accident during her Accepted ceremony and for Egwene to ‘jump’ off of a balcony in her grief.
Or just 13 x 13 them and get that sweet, sweet Pattern-blessing for your own side.
@41:
Because it sounds cool. Wolves are all about that marketing.
// “I never had a sister –“ What? Perrin does have sisters. For now. //
Yup, this was a continuity error. But in the other direction. RJ decided // Perrin needed sisters // so he had a female other than // Perrin’s mom // to fridge in tSR. Then it got pointed out retroactively, and eventually, updated. I don’t think that line is in my eBook. I’ll check later.
@44:
There was discussion on Leigh’s re-read — for a very, very long time — regarding whether // Egwene // might actually be ta’veren as well. Enough crazy stuff happens to her in the latter half of the series. But someone pointed out that Siuan would have said something. She can see ta’veren, as we find out in The Great Hunt. Its one of her gifts. Any craziness surrounding // Egwene // can be explained by Rand’s ta’verenness affecting her life. He needed her placed as she was.
@46: //Not just Siuan, of course. Egwene meets every known human with the ability to see ta’veren. Amusingly, she’s a pretty major factor in all three of their lives.//
@47:
Yeah. I didn’t think of that. I can see why people want to make the argument, of course. By the end of the series, // Egwene // is arguably to co-lead of the entire series. She gets the third most screen time after // Rand, and Perrin //. And so much of // Perrin’s // screen time was wasted on the // PLOD // that its difficult to view him as important as she is.
@48:
I myself would make the argument! //I think it’s very important that a story as steeped in gender essentialism as WoT have a clear female counterpart to the male Dragon Reborn.//
@45 – Fridged or not, //the scene where Perrin is told that his entire family is dead was one of the most effecting, beautifully written scenes in all of WoT.//
@49:
Bluh. I meant “the argument” re: co-lead, not ta’veren.
I’m confused to the point of this whole blog. I need someone explaining this masterpiece to me. Does TOR really believe that I am unable to make connections with Perrin or Rand without translation??
Moderators: In the paragraph ““Perhaps,” Moiraine counters. She tells them that the prophecy of Callandor is only one fulfillment of The Karaethon cycle, just like the first one, his birth on the slopes of Dragonmount.”, the second sentence should not be part of the block quote.
@53 – Fixed, thanks!
@45 I stayed out of the fridging discussion on the Deadpool 2 post this week because I felt like all sides of the topic were fairly well covered, but I will say that // I don’t think you can call it fridging that Perrin’s mom and sisters die when his dad and brother die at the same time. It’s the whole family, not gender based.//
Because Bulls are stubborn. They care not but for three things.
Perrin is much like this. But he fights it so hard that he therefore becomes what he avoids, slowly, very slowly… But Inevitably. It’s almost comical… If it wasn’t so annoyingly heart wrenching. Which is a shame, because for those that know what is to come, the glory attained, however avoided, is so grand so awesome sauce that now? I don’t mind, not one damn bit.
@55: I believe there’s an argument is that //because Jordan retconned Perrin to have more girls in his family than he did when they were all still alive, it becomes an example of fridging. If he’d included sisters the whole time or simply left it at “mostly dudes but also Perrin’s mom”, then killing them off wouldn’t have been gendered. By deciding that the horrific murder of an innocent family by literal monsters wasn’t sad enough without killing a pair of teenage girls, Jordan certainly opens himself up to the critique, even if his reasoning at the time was no more than “three people dying isn’t as sad as five people dying, and since there’s already two brothers I should add gender balance with two sisters”. Gender equality is hard!//
Ah. I’m using a Library of Congress audiobook recorded in 1993, evidently a pre-retcon edition.
Wolves do have cool names for things/people, even those they don’t like ///such as Heartfang and Moonhunter./// But at least they usually make sense.
I found Leya’s death especially sad in its pointlessness (in-world, not as a story element). If she had just stayed in the tent…
I was surprised that Perrin tries to feel so certain that the Forsaken are still imprisoned in Shayol Ghul. He met two of them in TEOTW. Those two died, but they should indicate to him that more could be out there. Fear-borne denial, I guess.
I think the lack of the girls being ta’veren has less to do with the fact that it was a less well fleshed out idea in the first book, and more to do with the fact that neither Nynaeve nor Egwene’s personal plots have really started yet in the series. It’s not until we get deep into the series that these characters actually start being, well, characters with their own well developed plots.
Perrin is unusual in that he gets fairly decent chunks of the first book, but you’ll notice that the series has yet to have a PoV from Mat yet, despite being part of the three ta’veren.
@55, 57:
@Legendary is right on why I used the term. Jordan retconned // Perrin having no sisters // in order to increase the scope of the tragedy. Because its more horrific to have a girl child die. Which I actually agree with (call me old fashioned.) I don’t actually have a problem with what he did. But that’s exactly what fridging is — creating a female character with the sole purpose being to kill her off to provide motivation for the male lead. The // mom, dad and brothers // existed before. The // sisters // were created solely to kill off.
@58:
I think its more reflex. He’s been hearing and reciting the litany regarding the Forsaken for his whole life. Whenever anyone brings up the Forsaken, someone says that litany, and everyone else thinks it. Its still been a relatively short amount of time since that was no longer true. And the events surrounding the Eye of the World are the type of thing someone might try to actively forget.
First of all, thank you Sylas for this wonderful read! It is always fun to see how much you manage to piece together. I sincerely hope that you have the stamina to make it through the entire series!
That said, I laughed out loud at //it will have to be Mat calling the Heroes of the Horn, unless he dies somewhere in the books//.
=)
@14 Yes, Returning to disagree. There is some truth to what you posted. // four entire books where he is a teenage emo disaster. But his entire family is wiped out… his only family is Faile. It is a shame, that Jordan didn’t establish Perrin’s attachment to family in EotW. It would have made his loss in tSR more painful. When I think about that… how character affecting would that be.// I’m pretty sure, I wouldn’t be the same before and after.
Just wanted to stop in and say thank you to Sylas for this read-through! Always look forward to it!
Also, @Moderator
In the following sentence, “Flame” should be “Falme”.
**but Rand’s old injury from his battle with Ba’alzamon in Flame, which has reopened.
@64 – Fixed, thank you!
@63:
I mostly said it as a joke. One of the common complaints of // Perrin’s character arc // is that he seems to forget lessons he already learned. This was an example of that. I don’t actually mind. That makes his journey more realistic. Progress is not a steady line forward, for either societies or individuals.
@64:
Although battling Ba’alzamon in Flame is a great visual ;)
Do the flame eyes count?
//Why does LTT never think about the rest of his family that he killed, only about Ilyena? Did he only have sons, so there are no daughters to end up on the list of killed women?//
@69:
Maybe he wasn’t much of a family man? Maybe some of his kids weren’t channelers, and had already died hundreds of years in the past, and he was inured to the death of his children? And since he doesn’t // actually remember killing them all the time, maybe as soon as Ilyena’s // dead face swims into his vision, he shuts down the rest of his memories.
@68 – I, too, have always wondered that. Of course, it’s partially explained by the fact that RJ was a romantic and did not have kids, himself. But yeah, it’s weird that //LTT// never once curses himself for having killed his //children.// It’s always just //Ilyena.//
Ah… Lanfear, subtlety doth not know thy name.
Sylas, your’e understanding of the text is astounding as always! @5 Anthony I really appreciate your insightful and thoughtful comments. and yes RJ’s skill here is unparalleled.
@6
Moiraine is failing badly as a mentor and guide. When your protegee runs away from you you are doing it wrong. And yes she has serious control and communication issues. .
Lanfear really is a one trick pony isn’t she? Glory, glory, glory. Sex and glory. That’s all she’s got and,Lanfear, that doesn’t work on everybody. Pay attention to your feedback!
I literally fell on the floor laughing at this!!!
@38 I appreciate your thinking around the women having agency, interesting thought and way to look at it.
The lack of //female Ta’veren is a bit jarring, especially considering how important women are in these books. We can fanwank it however we please, but it was an obvious oversight. Jordan could’ve saved the trouble by only having one, the Dragon. Well, I guess Mat’s future storyline would be difficult to explain without that, but Perrin doesn’t really seem to affect the world as much the other two. Or Egwene, for that matter.//
Min is one of my favorite characters, but her visions turn her into a walking plot device. And, considering //her visions never change, they’re mostly for the readers’ benefit. There had to be a better way to do this.//
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@73
//Talking about Mat’s future storyline, or whether or how much Perrin and Egwene affect the world in the future is a spoiler. You should white out the last two sentences in your first paragraph. //
@72, Thank you, Khalil.
I don’t think the women can be considered disfavored because they’re not ta’veren. Remember that Egwene and Elayne have the potential to become stronger in the Power than any living Aes Sedai, and Nynaeve’s potential is even greater than theirs. Almost every major character has some superpower or special ability, and many minor characters too. Some are channelers, some are wolfbrothers, some are various kinds of seers, and some are ta’veren, but no one has all the powers. And a ta’veren changes the Pattern by affecting adjacent threads which in turn affect other threads that affect yet other threads, so those close to a ta’veren can also have very important roles.
If there had been a Dragoness, then I think Moiraine and the Amyrlin would have tried to gentle the Dragon and have the Dragoness handle the job alone.
And bulls are vegans, you know.
@57 I am not sure if you call it fridging.// I think Jordan’s goal by adding family members was to show that Perrin had a very large family. RJ had to add family members and he added aunties, sisters, uncle’s, possibly a brother and cousins. Being from large family formed the core Perrin’s character, him being the one who is stables patient and strong. With them gone, he latched on to Faile and that led to his breakdown when she was kidnapped. If read him remembering his family, first he remembers his sisters, then his little brother. It’s not classic example of fridging per session.///
I’ve always felt that at least Egwene is at least Ta’veren, //even though canon says women can’t be.// But like all three boys are Ta’veren and born in the same village that Rand was brought to, I feel that Egwene’s influence had has at least been enhanced in some way by the three Ta’veren and more specifically, Rand growing up there. I think this one happening, all of Rand’s strongest tools, being born in the town that they grew up in, gives a bond, so to speak, that forces them all on the same page. Egwene’s ambition, Nynaeves protectiveness, Mats fortune, Perrin and his reluctant glory. There are other incredulous connections. Divine intervention. That’s the only way. Rands Golden Path of what not to do. Min and her seeings. I’m trying not to be spoilery. Hard. But blood and ashes! Even up to this point, you can see the Lights influence on the pattern, doing it’s damned best to give them as good a silver spoon as they can have. But Egwene? //She is the key. And later Mat, Aces in the hole.// The Shadow, no matter how devious… To counter those two? Light! Good luck with that! Oh yeah, you lose because Mat. Egwene? Spoilery. Even saying that is spoilery. And with that I shall pause.
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Nowhere is it said that women can’t be ta’veren. If I recall correctly a former Amyrlin is mentioned as being a ta’veren.
@Mods I think in this line “Loial only dreams of the stedding, as all Ogier do when they are aware from home” aware should be away?
@80 – Fixed, thanks!
ZEXXES @78, princessroxana @79: RJ specifically said women can be ta’veren. From the Theoryland interview database:
@@@@@bad_platypus @@@@@.82 Woooo thanks for that. I remember back in the day we argued over that for a bit. Buy I must dropped off when that little tidbit of yours was posted and talked about. Good to know.
On the other hand, though it is his book, I feel Jordan should have at least allowed for the possibility. //Because just look at how much fell Egwene’s way. It’s ridiculous. How do you go from thinking you are going to possibly be stilled, an Accepted to boot, to being made Amyrlin. The exact wrong person, had they known, to absolutely not make Amyrlin. Especially seeing how she absolutely worked them over like a seasoned pro at the Game of Houses. It was ludicrous. I was like.. .”Oh they have no idea how bad they effed up”. I started laughing in the coffee shop I was reading it in hysterically! Lol.//
@77:
Read the scene where Perrin finds out that his // family is killed. // Look specifically at which part of that he gets hung upon the most. Which part is emphasized in Perrin’s PoV? That’s why I labeled it the way I did. // The sisters were created for that scene. //
@78, 83:
I’m pretty sure the Heroes of the Horn are all // ta’veren, when born the normal way. // All of // Egwene’s // lucky breaks can be accounted for by // Rand’s // need for her to be in the position she was in to prepare the // Tower for the Last Battle // .
@84 I think this way of attributing Egwene’s success to Rand’s ta’veren effect is incorrect for two reasons:
1) Narratively, it removes a lot of her own agency, character growth, and diminishes what she ultimately was able to accomplish. I do not believe that is Jordan’s intent for her character, as he set her up to be Rand’s female counterpart/point. Both in terms of power and influence, and also accepting the burden of duty that comes with it. Egwene embraces her role, Rand rejects his.
2) Ta’veren is an influence, not a causal effect. And I feel that Jordan makes it pretty clear when people are being influenced by it or not. You can see this when Perrin leaves Rand for the Two Rivers at the start of TSR(?), and at Tuon’s first meeting with him. Or for even more clarity, the difference between the two Sea Folk meetings when Elayne and Nynaeve are alone vs. when they bring Mat with them. Maybe it’s just my personal interpretation, but I do feel that people overattribute things to ta’veren when the simplest answer could just be that someone is particularly determined, clever, or plain lucky (not Mat lucky). Isn’t that the whole point of the meta-joke in KoD when a character asks if Egwene is ta’veren and she replies that being Amyrlin is enough for any individual? After all, many important and world-changing events have happened in Randland without any ta’veren present. Ishamael’s influence on events over the past couple thousand years being one example.
@85:
I didn’t attribute her // success // to Rand’s ta’veren pull. I attributed some of the // apparent bending of chance that others have referenced to Rand’s ta’veren pull //. Things that, when they happen to the boys, we attribute to their ta’veren nature. And I’m not even espousing that as an actual reason. I’m saying that if you, the reader, feel something happened in // Egwene’s // storyline that is impossible or unlikely without her being ta’veren, that you, the reader, are free to chalk that up to Rand’s ta’veren nature making things he needs to happen // to succeed in the end // actually happen.
My comment @84 is continuing a thread of other comments, which give the proper context. That’s why I noted the comment it was in reference to, which itself references another comment, which alludes to yet another comment, etc. You seem to have taken my comment out of the context it was intended for.
The three boys of the same age, to within a week of each other, are all ta’veren because the pattern was trying to hide the Dragon. A girl would not have done as the soul in WoT is gendered, as will be shown to be the case later. Ishamael and The Dark One knew the Dragon would be a boy and they likely knew very nearly to the day when he was born, and that he had to be ta’veren.